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Your SDCompo tunes played live

Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby tenfour » Wed Jul 03, 2013 2:52 pm

First let me say I'm sad that I haven't been around much lately! I keep telling my friends that THIS round I'll be hunkering down in renoise, but I keep getting pulled in other directions.

So here's my latest: I am developing a live music project in the coming months. Basically the idea started just because I thought some of my sdcompo entries could make nice material for performance. A certain balance of jazz, pop, funk - some balance between fun, sophistication, but always trying to entertain. Of course from my own sdcompo entries, I can't fill an entire set. For the moment we have these to start with: https://soundcloud.com/tenfour/sets/project2013/s-pouQz

So before we begin adding cliché, overplayed cover songs to the list, I wanted to first invite sdcompo to join our quest. I think it would be a good opportunity to extend sdcompo beyond its boundaries just a bit, and give a different spin to some of your songs.

So, reply with your nominations! Some points:

  • This is not an official poll or contest. In the end I'll just choose something, and I make no guarantees about my criteria. After all, I've already decided to monopolize the playlist for myself. :twisted:
  • Nominate your own stuff, nominate others'' stuff, nominate non-sdcompo tunes as well, heck why not! The more the merrier!
  • Hmm, maybe funk/jazz/pop could be a compo round theme? 8)
  • Renoise tunes are preferred (over psycle, sunvox, et al), because I can use the samples / sounds verbatim during performance.
  • I am judging the composition more than the production quality. It needs to be playable live with minimal modifications. Maybe even unfinished work. It doesn't need to be a top-3-voted song to be considered. It just needs to have the right character (if played by us), and be appropriate for live performance.
  • I will definitely make changes to the song to accommodate performance.
  • We are 4 mostly-professional musicians: drums, electric bass, alto sax/guitar, keyboard (me) with training in jazz. I will probably use 2 keyboards driving Renoise. The other lead guy is playing alto sax and acoustic guitar (comp only, no big guitar solos). He can sing.
  • Even though this is technically a for-profit gig, I am not prepared to engage in a royalty agreement. I am just asking for the rights to adapt and perform your composition and use your samples / patches for it. Sorry! Screw that; I will totally pay for these rights.
  • We will take a while to form this project - I don't expect that we will be performing before November.
  • Edit 4: Proper respect and recognition will be given during performance to sdcompo and any contributing artists.
  • Edit 4: We will make recordings available, and probably sheet music for the arrangements.

A bit extra:, to add to the "show" element, I am also considering some artwork. A projected movie, or photos, or something. I am not really sure... but I know many of our songs have a certain introverted feeling to them, and in that case a little something "extra" would be nice for performance. Any ideas are welcome!

Edit: Deadline of Aug 1. We will begin rehearsing in September, but I need to time to arrange and develop the tunes. There is technically no hard timeline for us though; this is just our arbitrary concept.

Edit 2: I will pay for the rights to the song.

Edit 3: Added soundcloud link to existing material

Edit 4: Added 2 more points.

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Update Aug 14, 2013:

I have spent a lot of time listening to sdcompo songs in the past month. A LOT. I listened to over half of the songs ever submitted to the compo. I shamefully admit to scraping the site to literally download all the modules & mp3s that have ever been submitted. The scraping utility then organized them all, and added consistent mp3 tagging for round / artist / title / resulting placement / score / and % of total points for round awarded to each song.

A huge number of mp3 links are dead, and for those I loaded them in Renoise and rendered them out. In the end, I have about 800 mp3s out of something like 860 total. Sorting by "% of points awarded for round", I listened from top to bottom.

A couple interesting facts: By this metric, the highest-scoring sdcompo songs ever are:

  • Round 63 / Shadowbane - Mary Did You Know (50%)
  • Round 63 / chunter - Adeste Fideles (50%)

Ok that's not exactly fair because they were the only 2 submitted for round 63. Continuing on...

  • Round 5 / ruthlinde - Ruth ank amon (33%)
  • Round 52 / Knetter - Waiting for the Water to Rise (28%)
  • Round 5 / organic_io - Untethered (28%)
  • Round 43 / Knetter - Heart or Soul (27%)
  • Round 27 / joltz - Azimuth Basstitus (27%)

Users with most entries:

  • chunter, 47 entries
  • ambtax1, 35 entries
  • Knetter, 34 entries
  • Chotoro, 31 entries
  • Airmann, 29 entries

Users with highest average "% of round score" for all their entries, for users with multiple entries:

  • ruthlinde, 24% for 3 entries
  • keith303, 19% for 12 entries
  • tenfour, 19% for 16 entries
  • francis_red, 17% for 3 entries
  • kalachnikov, 17% for 3 entries

Enough fun though, the whole point of all this scraping was to selfishly hunt down the best sdcompo tunes for my project. In the end I discovered some wonderful things that I missed over the years. Here's my current list of candidates for the project. Roughly in order from best candidate to least likely. Obviously we won't be playing all these. Most likely we'll pick the top 5-6 or so.

  • Round 14: Chotoro - SCA Type 2
  • Round 73: chunter - Human Touch Experiment
  • Round 21: Chotoro - This is Rabbit Country!
  • Round 40: Chotoro - Shadow on the moon in the sea of shadow
  • Round 67: Chotoro - Fullpower Deadend
  • Round 67: chunter - Electric Plastic Park
  • Round 29: Mickrip - Ode to Casio
  • Round 71: Mios - Dreamon
  • Round 2: ruthlinde - '85 Ninja Get-together
  • Round 59: Chotoro - Drop in
  • Round 9: hideki - road to satori
  • Round 23: iddy - frappe
  • Round 44: juolac - obofunk
  • Round 6: organic_io - lament expire dub
  • Round 44: BleedingLiver - Funk You!
  • Round 72: iddy - twilight cafe
  • Round 44: joltz - Water Dancer
  • Round 3: Mickrip - Lingo Rollercoaster
  • Round 15: Mickrip - A Glass Half Full
  • Round 26: NT - okay
  • Round 40: NT - finally summer
  • Round 5: organic_io - untethered
  • Round 36: agargara - Dancing With a Mirror
  • Round 10: Aged_Sonicade - Lullaby for the Unloved
  • Round 37: aGIANTpupafish - Gondola
  • Round 36: CAG - untitled1
  • Round 36: chunter - All My Days
  • Round 59: chunter - I Will Find You
  • Round 12: Mickrip - In the Context of the Universe

It's a difficult selection process because it's hard to predict how these songs will translate to jazz quintet, and how they will sound together. It's also important not to pick songs that already sound too much live performance. For example, juolac - obofunk (http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=602) sounds like a hands-down pick for live performance, but I am pretty sure when we play it live, it will turn into something far less unique and interesting than the original. Basically I found myself looking for compositions with detail, rather than human performance elements. Chotoro's stuff is especially notable for this, where there is very little repetition. I have already transcribed SCA Type 2 for example, and was absolutely blown away at the level of detail and richness in the composition. The same with his other works, so it's no surprise he sort of dominates the list.

Of course more suggestions are welcome. For now I'm heads-down in Finale. Just for fun, here's the keyboard solos to Big Truffle in Little China: https://www.dropbox.com/s/rtfuwt4122tne7n/BigTruffleInLittleChina-KeyboardSolos.pdf

Will keep posted!

-Carl
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby organic io » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:09 pm

Just a quick response:

What an interesting idea!!!

I've got several ideas in the back of my head but I want to look over some previous rounds before I make my official nominations. Will probably take me a few days. Is that alright? Do you have a deadline of when you need the suggestions by?
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby tenfour » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:14 pm

organic io wrote:Do you have a deadline of when you need the suggestions by?


Oops - good call - added the deadline of Aug 1st.
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby organic io » Wed Jul 03, 2013 3:51 pm

OK, so it took me less time than anticipated to think of some good songs.

Well you already know many of my favorites, from the Remixta episode and 5 year anniversary mix, but I'd be thrilled to hear anything off of that:
http://remixta.net/2011/04/remixta-12-sound-devotion-special/
(Hopefully I will be hearing chinese identity conflict at the least???? :) )

And of course, don't forget about "refive - common descent"
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=372

But as for some others, here's what's off the top of my head:

Mick Rippon - Ode to Casio --- Would be soooooo bad ass!!!!!
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=387

Rob Williams Jnr - Closing time ---- An all time favorite of mine, may be a little too slow paced though ???
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=27

Iddy - Frappe --- Funky! Only reason I didn't include this one in the Remixta episode is because it wasn't done in Renoise, but Buzz... Which also may be a hindrance to your live workflow???
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=299

Elnatural - Soft Irish Weather --- Perhaps a long forgotten favorite, great song though
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=409

teajay - once upon again --- Another early favorite of mine, upbeat and may be suited to your band, not sure
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=22


And of course I'll suggest some of my own stuff. I won't be offended if you don't pick it. It seems like the stuff that is most suited to this project is some of my earlier pieces which were more experimental in nature. The ones I chose are;

organic io - conduit transparency -- I actually had jazz in mind when I wrote this so, maybe it would work... But it also may just be too crazy, I don't know. If you do happen to pick it, tell your drummer I wrote this before I started playing drums and he is welcome to change up the rhythms
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=47

organic io - untethered --- Uplifting, one of my favorite songs of mine and possibly the most favorite composition of mine, despite the only medium-quality production. But as you said the production doesn't matter so of course I think of this one
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=55

organic io - lament expire dub -- My first experimentation with 5/4, musically may be a bit dark and discordant for your quartet, not sure
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=64

Actually I was only going to suggest those 3, but I thought of one more:
https://soundcloud.com/organic-io/organic-io-antegrade --- My second song in 5/4. Again tell your drummer I am sorry, but if he likes a challenge maybe he will enjoy it :)


Well, i've probably given you enough to chew on (choke on?), heh. I'll give somebody else a chance now. Interested to see what other people suggest and what ultimately gets chosen! And of course listening to them will be awesome. I do hope you'll be recording the performance? :D
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby organic io » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:27 pm

organic io wrote:Rob Williams Jnr - Closing time ---- An all time favorite of mine, may be a little too slow paced though ???
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=27


Sorry to flood, but I just listened to this and I think the lead would be awesome on Saxophone!
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby tenfour » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:34 pm

organic io wrote:Sorry to flood, but I just listened to this and I think the lead would be awesome on Saxophone!

Definitely!
organic io wrote:Hopefully I will be hearing chinese identity conflict at the least????

It's on the list - I am hoping it still has that strangely balanced atmosphere when performed though.
organic io wrote:Again tell your drummer I am sorry

These guys are absolute monsters; weird time signatures is child's play to these guys.
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby organic io » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:50 pm

Very cool :)

Well I fixed up the one liner post since I saw you deleted yours. Consolidated to one line. You're welcome to re-post if you want of course. Edit: I think this may be deserving of a site-news post, what do you think? If you give me the green light I'll contact Sonicade about getting it posted

Also this is the last song I'm submitting and the only non SDcompo-related song:

Alexstrain - Stormdamage
https://soundcloud.com/alexstrain/stormdamage-v5-does-this-sound

There's just something magical about those harmonies
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby organic io » Wed Jul 03, 2013 4:55 pm

tenfour wrote:
organic io wrote:Again tell your drummer I am sorry

These guys are absolute monsters; weird time signatures is child's play to these guys.


Well the 5/4 is not the hard part on this one, but all the general mayhem. Perhaps the snare retrigs could be emulated by a technique I believe is called "buzz rolling"? :D
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby tenfour » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:14 pm

If you give me the green light I'll contact Sonicade about getting it posted


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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby Airmann » Wed Jul 03, 2013 5:55 pm

I think a lot of stuff from Chotoro would fit. Also Chunter made some interesting stuff. Agargara would maybe an option.

E.g. Chotoro:
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=282

E.g. Agargara:
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=517

E.g. Chunter:
San Augustin (nice guitar)
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=615

All my Days (pop. I like it very much)
http://www.sdcompo.com/entry.php?e=492
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby organic io » Thu Jul 11, 2013 10:40 am

Well, I thought I saw a post by Gilli the other day in here but he seems to have deleted it. I'm surprised there's not more responses to this!
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby juolac » Thu Jul 11, 2013 2:46 pm

Hello Tenfour!
This sdc-song "Looking back" have complete lyrics now. It's kind of jazzy already, but believe you could add more groove and swing to it. :)
And by the time you are to perform, the theme of the lyrics might fit even better :) ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtH4dIDBgTI
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby chunter » Thu Jul 11, 2013 7:02 pm

Can there be a recording available once it's finished?
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby tenfour » Fri Jul 12, 2013 4:11 am

We will certainly do our best to have recordings. Quality not guaranteed of course (recording rehearsals or performances, not studio).
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Re: Your SDCompo tunes played live

Postby gilli » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:55 am

organic io wrote:Well, I thought I saw a post by Gilli the other day in here but he seems to have deleted it. I'm surprised there's not more responses to this!

Yes, I had posted a couple of Jazz/Funk songs, which I thought would fit Carl's taste (he probably know/has them anyway). But for several reasons I got unsure whether they would be suitable for impros, so to save all the headache, I simply removed the post. However, I don't want to appear paranoid and will repost the stuff if requested.

Playing some tracked songs in a live band is a great idea for sure.

edit: grammar, since I know Scott is watching.
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