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Rule Clarification?

Postby Taiyal » Sat Aug 30, 2008 1:11 pm

5. Sample pack contents and vocal samples only.
Only the samples in the samplepack and vocal samples are allowed.

Sample pack contents... any of them?
I know it says "Only the samples", but what if one were to load a VST as a raw PCM sample, say, for glitchcore?

I know this may seem rather odd and useless of a question, but this loading of compiled binaries and other files as samples is one I have used before, and I would rather ask and have my question answered here than submit an entry and find out I was DQ'd.

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Postby organic io » Sat Aug 30, 2008 6:51 pm

Hmm, no idea. that seems like it might be bending the rules a bit much. I'll wait for Sonicade's call on this
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Postby Sonicade » Sun Aug 31, 2008 3:39 am

Hi Taiyal,
Hmm is your question whether it's ok to use a VST to distort one of the included samples? Or include a distorted sample?

Basically the rule is straightforward. To insure that everyone is using the same group of sounds, only the sounds included in the samplepack are allowed with the exception of vocal samples.

Feel free to explain your question again if you feel I'm not understanding it correctly.
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Postby organic io » Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:25 am

I think he means importing the .dll of the vsti as a sample
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Postby chunter » Sun Aug 31, 2008 11:45 am

:?: Is it implied that the .dll of the VST is part of the pack?
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Postby organic io » Sun Aug 31, 2008 4:11 pm

Yes... But it still seems like a pretty unorthodox practice :D
However, it's not like it's gonna sound really good so maybe we should just go ahead and allow it... Props to skills if you can make it sound sweet. Hell if I know. What do you think, Cade?
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Postby Sonicade » Sun Aug 31, 2008 6:18 pm

Ok I think I understand the question better. The rule again is pretty clear here, there are no .dll files included in the samplepack.

The thing with these special requests is that everyone has their own special request. If we allow 1 then we have to allow them all.

So then you get:

This round allows vocal samples.
This round allows binary files.
This round allows police sirens.
This round allows ambient sounds of busy intersections and freeways.

How about we say no .dll files for this round and in the next round allow 1 custom sample?

1 custom sample being any 1 sample file can be used per entry in addition to the samplepack contents. I think we've pitched that one around before.
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Postby organic io » Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:41 pm

I think the question pertains to a round when there is a vsti dll ... Would he be allowed to do it then?
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Postby Sonicade » Mon Sep 01, 2008 12:52 am

Unless it's specifically allowed it would constitute itself as an outside sample. Allowing 1+ custom sample(s) in a given round would satisfy including a binary file with their track.
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Postby chunter » Mon Sep 01, 2008 3:23 pm

One custom sample is a neat idea, except it becomes confusing when we also have a rule that says that "Render to sample..." is allowed. My common sense says that the rendered sample would not count, but it'd be confusing for a total newcomer.
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Postby organic io » Mon Sep 01, 2008 6:34 pm

Right.. All extra clarification is always a good thing

Also I think there needs to be a strict limit to the length of the sample. (7 seconds?). So somebody can't just go and write a 30 second loop using vsti's and then import it and have most of their song be in the sample
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Postby Sonicade » Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:02 pm

Good points, I'll clarify both in the rules next round.
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Postby organic io » Mon Sep 01, 2008 8:32 pm

So next round any 1 sample is allowed?!??!?

I'll probably just import a better kick drum for each round like that, lol
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Postby paulnewns » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:23 am

Not wanting to fly in the face of popular opinion too much I personally NEED the restriction of 'only the samples in the pack' rules. I find the more tools/sounds I have the more diluted my creativity. I also view the vocals as a restriction too. I often find vocals difficult to manipulate (and record, damn the noise!).
So, my point being, can we keep the restrictions as they are?
Except for 'special' occasions? :):)
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Postby organic io » Thu Sep 04, 2008 10:49 am

You can always just avoid the extra rules.
Not sure what Sonicade's plans are for the future with this, if it will become a permanent fixture, or just an occasional thing
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