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Unofficial chiptune compo planning thread

Unofficial chiptune compo planning thread

Postby organic io » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:14 pm

Who wants to have another unofficial mini compo? We can format it similar to the round 16 "I missed the deadline compo" (http://forums.sdcompo.com/viewtopic.php?t=297), except prizes can of course be chips Image or "What the hell!? Do you mean crisps??" As Paul might say :D

I'm thinking the timeframe could be during SDcompo round 48 voting, so as not to interfere with the main compo. So that gives us a couple of weeks for an interest check and preparation. Tracking could be a week, and then voting for 3 or 4 days after that.

I had the idea after listening to some SID files that blew me away. I had no idea an almost 30 year old computer could produce something that sounded so convincingly close to acid house. :)

Rules:

1) The only trackers allowed would be actual chip trackers that don't use samples
for example, Cybertracker for C64 (http://noname.c64.org/tracker/screenshots.php)
Nerd Tracker 2 for DOS/Windows(makes NES sound files)
(http://nesdev.parodius.com/nt2/)

2) Have fun

Any more suggestions or input? :)
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Postby knetter » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:00 pm

Its a cool idea! I hope we're not starting next week...(because I'm on holiday then)
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Postby organic io » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:04 pm

knetter wrote:Its a cool idea! I hope we're not starting next week...(because I'm on holiday then)


Nope, should be approximately 3 weeks from now (Whenever the Round 48 tracking ends)
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Postby Airmann » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:06 pm

Like it :-).
But maybe we can find something that has a nice GUI ?
Something like SID for Windows or so ?
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Postby organic io » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:39 pm

Yeah, that's fine. The platform doesn't matter, as long as it doesn't have samples and it is some kind of retro chip format.

I knew you would be in, Airmann... This is going to be fun :)
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Postby tenfour » Wed Mar 24, 2010 5:05 pm

i would love to try this! what are some other trackers that fit this category?
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Postby Airmann » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:03 pm

A little inspiration

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf56jYDv ... re=related

yeah , one doesn't need much gear in order to perform ;-)



BTW: found a cross-platform SID tracker:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/goattracker2/
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Postby organic io » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:06 pm

(checks wikipedia)

Apparently Goattracker is one of the more popular cross platform SID trackers (Linux, Windows, Amiga, etc, versions available)
http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=13367

FamiTracker for Windows makes NES music
http://famitracker.shoodot.net/screenshots.php

Well heck, pretty much everything under cross platform trackers would apply:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_au ... m_trackers

and then also the Adlib/FM Synthesis trackers I guess would technically be considered "chiptunes"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_au ... 3_.28FM.29

Of course the amount of resources you have should be taken into account when voting. For example if somebody makes a 12 channel Adlib 667 mod, it can't really be compared directly to a 3 channel SID... since the 667 can technically sound more lush than a 3 channel SID, but when you listen to the SID might be able to marvel "how the heck did he do that with only 3 channels?"... So it is all about how you use your resources.

But I think I'm preaching to the choir here. :D
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Postby CAG » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:35 am

oh snap, I've friends who will be very interested in this.

can we do LSDJ or nanoloops or cut up loops from the hidden bonus sequencer in the game boy camera? :P
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Postby organic io » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:35 am

CAG wrote:oh snap, I've friends who will be very interested in this.

can we do LSDJ or nanoloops or cut up loops from the hidden bonus sequencer in the game boy camera? :P


I'd say yes to nanoloops as it is all synthesis, however I am not sure about LSDJ... Website says it has samples from drum machines. May be acceptable if you don't use any of the samples but just use synthesized drums?

I'd have to say no on the sequencer, since this will be original tracks only (no covers or remixes... or "sampling")

Or am I being too purist about it all. This is just a fun compo, so maybe it should be allowed. Anybody else's opinion?
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Postby tenfour » Thu Mar 25, 2010 4:06 am

the restrictions are exactly what makes this compo what it is. i agree with your instincts, io - only chip synthesis allowed, no samples.
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Postby paulnewns » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:52 pm

Chips? Bloody chips?? It's crisps in England mate. Bloody Americans. :wink: Let me know exactly what tracker we're using and I'll be up for throwing something together. :D
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Postby chunter » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:55 pm

When I do chips (eg. Famicompo) I'm actually writing an IT file that gets recomposed into .NSF format. Is the goal to provide a source tracked file, or is the goal to provide the finished code that plays music?

It's apparent though, that what is not wanted is something like the Draw Tool round.

Have a look at how Battle of the Bits do their categories if you need some inspiration for how these things are run:

http://battleofthebits.org/arena/Battle ... er+Chip+V/

I don't recommend categories for us, it's the limits, like use of samples, file sizes, etc.
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Postby chunter » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:56 pm

Ironically, BOTB are running a Renoise contest.
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Postby organic io » Thu Mar 25, 2010 7:30 pm

tenfour wrote:the restrictions are exactly what makes this compo what it is. i agree with your instincts, io - only chip synthesis allowed, no samples.


After thinking it over, I agree. Let's keep it pure. Original songs only, so no sampling or "looping".

I also want it to be trackers only (i.e. Note column, effects column)... Therefore, CAG, unfortunately that would rule out nanoloop and the gameboy camera. But you can still use LSDJ with synthesis only.

paulnewns wrote:Let me know exactly what tracker we're using and I'll be up for throwing something together. :D


There is no one single tracker we will be using. The platform you are composing it on, and the platform you are composing it for don't matter. It just has to meet 2 criteria: 1) It's a tracker, 2) The output is for some kind of sound chip


chunter wrote:When I do chips (eg. Famicompo) I'm actually writing an IT file that gets recomposed into .NSF format.


Interesting. This fits within the rules, as long as the final output is 100% compliant with the NSF format (ie there are no extra channels or anything). You used a tracker, and the output is NES sound... Sounds good to me.

chunter wrote:Is the goal to provide a source tracked file, or is the goal to provide the finished code that plays music?

Both, although the tracker component is more important. For example, Cybertracker for C64 can't actually output SID files, but you run the program on an actual C64, using the SID chip... Therefore, it qualifies. (Although you'd have to record the sound out of the emulator to make your mp3)

On the flip side, a non-tracker program that outputted a SID file would not qualify.


I'll write up some more detailed rules soon.
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