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Standardized plugin pack

Standardized plugin pack

Postby organic io » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:02 pm

Well, it's almost time for the next round to start. I am currently picking out a vsti and some drum samples, but also on my mind is the previously discussed "standard plugins" set which would be available for all users under any DAW that supports them.

http://forums.sdcompo.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=692 <-- Previous discussion here.

I think it's important to have a cross-platform compatible set of plugs. I have really been enjoying the TAL plugins lately, and I'm impressed that they are cross platform. I think they would be a great candidate to at least get us started, if not be the permanent standard pack.

I looked into the Reaplugs, but apparently the separate plugin set is only available for Windows (there is not a separate Mac installer, so the only way to use it on Mac outside of Wine would be inside Mac Reaper), so that is out of the question.

Specifically here are the plugins I was thinking of:

Dub III (delay) --> http://www.kvraudio.com/product/tal-dub-iii-by-togu-audio-line
Filter 2 (filter) --> http://www.kvraudio.com/product/tal-filter-ii-by-togu-audio-line
Flanger --> http://www.kvraudio.com/product/tal_flanger_by_togu_audio_line
Phaser --> http://www.kvraudio.com/product/tal_phaser_by_togu_audio_line
Reverb III --> http://www.kvraudio.com/product/tal-reverb-by-togu-audio-line (I haven't used it yet, did you guys like the TAL Reverb for this past round?)

Alternate to Filter 2 would be "multi filter"--> http://www.kvraudio.com/product/multi_filter_by_togu_audio_line -- I will probably compare both of them to see which is more suitable

Do these sound like good candidates? Or are there any other effects you would like to see? I would probably add Distortion and EQ but TAL doesn't really have what I'm looking for (their EQ is too simple, and the only thing for distortion is supposed to be a "saturation plugin with the characteristics of tubes").
Here are all the free TAL plugins: http://www.kvraudio.com/developer/togu-audio-line

Please give feedback, and suggest any other free sets of plugins if you have any you'd prefer. Since I need to get round 74 kicked off soon, most likely the TAL set will be included in it and possibly/probably standard in future rounds as long as everyone is agreeable to it.

This of course will not exclude the default plugins in Renoise and other programs, you will still be able to use those as well.
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Re: Standardized plugin pack

Postby Airmann » Tue Jun 11, 2013 5:05 pm

Hey Scott,

I fully support that the TAL reverb III as free stereo plate reverb should be allowed. Why ? Reverbs are IMO the most important processors in mixing. Those characterful TAL plate reverb extends e.g. the internal Renoise reverbs in a good way. Filter II is interesting, but is it really so different from e.g. Renoise filter ? Maybe that Chorus-LX would be an option, though. All the other TAL DSP's should IMO not be allowed. E.g. the delays are not supported anymore.

Other than that, I recommend to also allow "Ambience" reverb http://magnus.smartelectronix.com/ and "EpicVerb" from Bootsy http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/200 ... /epicverb/. Both are a bit more complex, but have a lot of presets. I don't know how stable they are, though.

As a second most important fx after the reverb I vote for including a more decent transparent compressor like the TDR Feedback Compressor II. Also I'd love to include a character compressor like ThrillSeekerLA.
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Re: Standardized plugin pack

Postby chunter » Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:18 pm

Sortof seconding Airmann's thoughts, I've done better (and more stable) delays with Multitap though TAL's dub delay does have a nice character. I tend to move towards the bootsy stuff myself, though I believe a problem they present is that they are windows only, is that something we're trying to avoid?

I'm otherwise in favor of at least testing anything as long as the changes spice the compo enough to keep people visiting and interested.
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Re: Standardized plugin pack

Postby organic io » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:42 am

Airmann wrote: Filter II is interesting, but is it really so different from e.g. Renoise filter ?


I don't know, the other week I was trying to use the Renoise filter as a highpass to cut out some unwanted low frequencies. What I wanted wasn't really happening, so I switched to Apple AU filter and it worked out so much better. Maybe it's just me though... I'd at least like to try some other filter options

Airmann wrote:All the other TAL DSP's should IMO not be allowed. E.g. the delays are not supported anymore.


What's the problem with this exactly? If I understand correctly, not supported means: 1) Not actively updated by the developer anymore and 2) You get no support from the developer if anything breaks or if there are bugs

But, I don't view these as problems since the plugins seem to be stable and they should work for a long time -- Into the forseeable future, as long as vst is around and as long as new vst standards (vst 4?) don't break backwards compatibility.

Airmann wrote:As a second most important fx after the reverb I vote for including a more decent transparent compressor like the TDR Feedback Compressor II. Also I'd love to include a character compressor like ThrillSeekerLA.


Good idea. Don't know how I forgot about compressor. I will check those out.

chunter wrote:I tend to move towards the bootsy stuff myself, though I believe a problem they present is that they are windows only, is that something we're trying to avoid?


Yeah, It doesn't make much sense to exclude Mac users when there are perfectly decent cross platform plugins. I don't want to sound like one of those people who starts to fight for a cause only after they or a family member gets a disease... But I got a disease. I mean, I am now in the computing minority. Wait, I already was in a greater minority on Linux. What I mean to say is I now have a mac. Lol. Actually I'm not embarassed about it like I thought I might be... The OS is surprisingly nice :D
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Re: Standardized plugin pack

Postby chunter » Wed Jun 12, 2013 10:25 am

I gathered the mac thing at "I substituted an AU plugin." I don't rage over OS anymore, there's so much cross-platform stuff that it's mostly meaningless and what gear you want to spend money on is your business. ;)

Or maybe it's that chilled-with-age thing.
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Re: Standardized plugin pack

Postby organic io » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:13 am

@ chunter: :wink:


Well, I got permission from Patrick over at TAL to use any of his plugins except for the commercial one in the SDcompo :) So it looks like Reverb-3 will be a permanent fixture from now, and I'll probably experiment with a few others for round 75!
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